1 00:00:10,820 --> 00:00:07,850 the oldest and strongest human emotion 2 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:10,830 is fear and the oldest and strongest 3 00:00:18,290 --> 00:00:15,110 type of fear is trepidation of young men 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:18,300 when we were children our parents told 5 00:00:24,259 --> 00:00:21,050 us that monsters didn't exist 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:24,269 but we were sure that something is 7 00:00:31,450 --> 00:00:27,090 lurking to look better in the closet 8 00:00:35,180 --> 00:00:31,460 vier sees even if our eyes are closed 9 00:00:38,180 --> 00:00:35,190 welcome to the realm of your cane my 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:38,190 name is lon stripper join me as I 11 00:00:45,369 --> 00:00:41,330 examine unexplained creatures strange 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:45,379 manifestations of remarkable realities 13 00:00:51,979 --> 00:00:48,690 imagine this next hour as a voyage of 14 00:00:54,830 --> 00:00:51,989 discovered to strange lands seeking not 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:54,840 from new territory but for new knowledge 16 00:01:09,230 --> 00:00:58,170 of the supernatural come on board as we 17 00:01:11,180 --> 00:01:09,240 begin this adventure together hey folks 18 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:11,190 good evening and welcome to another 19 00:01:15,889 --> 00:01:13,890 episode of arcane radio where we explore 20 00:01:18,290 --> 00:01:15,899 the unexplained here on the paranormal 21 00:01:20,660 --> 00:01:18,300 king radio network I'm your host launch 22 00:01:22,969 --> 00:01:20,670 strickler coming to you with in a cannon 23 00:01:26,389 --> 00:01:22,979 shot of historic Gettysburg Pennsylvania 24 00:01:29,150 --> 00:01:26,399 I thank you for sure for joining me now 25 00:01:32,029 --> 00:01:29,160 first off before I introduce my guests I 26 00:01:34,279 --> 00:01:32,039 want to talk about a the witness report 27 00:01:37,969 --> 00:01:34,289 I recently got from the witness who I 28 00:01:41,180 --> 00:01:37,979 referred to as jb who described her 29 00:01:45,410 --> 00:01:41,190 encounter with an angel winged gargoyle 30 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:45,420 and this happened in babcock Wisconsin 31 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:50,280 during the summer of 2002 now JB was in 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:52,770 her mid mid-teens at the time the 33 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:54,890 incident and they left an indelible 34 00:02:01,040 --> 00:01:57,990 impression on her for the 18 years since 35 00:02:02,870 --> 00:02:01,050 that encounter because of uniqueness of 36 00:02:07,669 --> 00:02:02,880 the winged being in the peaceful feeling 37 00:02:09,589 --> 00:02:07,679 that she had while watching it she said 38 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:09,599 she only told a few people about the 39 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:13,260 incident so in particular night in 2002 40 00:02:18,559 --> 00:02:16,260 JB was lying on her bed watching 41 00:02:21,050 --> 00:02:18,569 television and as she adjusted herself 42 00:02:23,300 --> 00:02:21,060 she caught movement from outside her 43 00:02:26,330 --> 00:02:23,310 bedroom window which was on the same 44 00:02:28,729 --> 00:02:26,340 wall as the bed the window was wide open 45 00:02:31,220 --> 00:02:28,739 in order to allow the cold fresh air to 46 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:31,230 enter the room and she looked out the 47 00:02:36,530 --> 00:02:34,200 window she focused on a winged bean 48 00:02:39,930 --> 00:02:36,540 crouched down on the edge of the roof 49 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:39,940 not more than 10 foot from a window 50 00:02:46,390 --> 00:02:43,490 now she said she felt no fear in fact 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:46,400 she felt peaceful and not threatened by 52 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:49,730 the presence of the entity she described 53 00:02:55,420 --> 00:02:52,970 it as gargoyle like body and head with 54 00:02:59,110 --> 00:02:55,430 thin arms hanging down between its thin 55 00:03:01,030 --> 00:02:59,120 legs the body was somewhat thin as well 56 00:03:03,790 --> 00:03:01,040 the facial features were mostly hidden 57 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:03,800 by the wings that extended of the body 58 00:03:09,700 --> 00:03:05,920 and halfway around the crouching body 59 00:03:12,460 --> 00:03:09,710 she was amazed at the large perfectly 60 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:12,470 feathered wings on the humanoid was she 61 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:15,920 referred to as angel wings the body was 62 00:03:21,730 --> 00:03:18,290 hairless and bald with a pale gray 63 00:03:25,510 --> 00:03:21,740 coloring the wings were also pale color 64 00:03:28,180 --> 00:03:25,520 her pale green color and she said that 65 00:03:30,130 --> 00:03:28,190 she believes that if it would have been 66 00:03:33,940 --> 00:03:30,140 standing it could have reached five to 67 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:33,950 five and a half foot in height now JB 68 00:03:39,070 --> 00:03:36,650 literally watched this being for almost 69 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:39,080 a half an hour during which it never 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:41,210 moved or made a sound it seemed to be 71 00:03:46,990 --> 00:03:43,850 focused on the yard below even though 72 00:03:48,190 --> 00:03:47,000 because she couldn't see its eyes she 73 00:03:51,220 --> 00:03:48,200 made an attempt to get its attention 74 00:03:54,310 --> 00:03:51,230 softly speaking to it but the being 75 00:03:56,770 --> 00:03:54,320 never responded the security lights 76 00:03:59,140 --> 00:03:56,780 below illuminated the being so JB was 77 00:04:01,150 --> 00:03:59,150 able to get an excellent view of it now 78 00:04:03,220 --> 00:04:01,160 after watching this wing beam for about 79 00:04:06,340 --> 00:04:03,230 a half an hour she became very sleepy 80 00:04:08,830 --> 00:04:06,350 and decided to go to bed she never felt 81 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:08,840 threatened and left the window open in 82 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:13,070 the morning about 6:00 a.m. JB was 83 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:16,010 awakened by a loud radio frequency like 84 00:04:20,289 --> 00:04:18,530 sound that came from outside her window 85 00:04:23,409 --> 00:04:20,299 now when she looked out the window the 86 00:04:26,650 --> 00:04:23,419 winged being was gone she believes that 87 00:04:28,060 --> 00:04:26,660 the sound was was so loud that others in 88 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:28,070 the neighborhood definitely could have 89 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:30,890 heard it and but she you know never 90 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:33,410 heard anybody talk about her a reference 91 00:04:37,990 --> 00:04:34,970 that her parents had never even heard a 92 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:38,000 anything either so and she said she's 93 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:41,510 never heard anything like it since so JB 94 00:04:44,890 --> 00:04:44,240 is very lucid very precise in her 95 00:04:48,159 --> 00:04:44,900 description 96 00:04:51,340 --> 00:04:48,169 and tip I believe she obviously saw 97 00:04:53,330 --> 00:04:51,350 something especially this quite 98 00:04:59,930 --> 00:04:53,340 remarkable wing 99 00:05:01,220 --> 00:04:59,940 now the loud radio frequency sound could 100 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:01,230 have been that of a portal or gateway 101 00:05:06,950 --> 00:05:04,290 opening or closing in my opinion in the 102 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:06,960 past myself and others have described a 103 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:10,110 buzzing sound associated with portals 104 00:05:16,670 --> 00:05:12,810 opening or closing very similar to the 105 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:16,680 loud swarming of bees I you know I don't 106 00:05:20,620 --> 00:05:18,720 remember anything anything similar 107 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:20,630 described by the winged humanoid 108 00:05:28,970 --> 00:05:26,010 witnesses she did mention that bad-cop 109 00:05:33,650 --> 00:05:28,980 Wisconsin has a history of strange 110 00:05:36,410 --> 00:05:33,660 phenomena especially UFO activity so you 111 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:36,420 know I have one of the other 112 00:05:40,820 --> 00:05:38,910 investigators on our team is going to 113 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:40,830 talk to her so hopefully we can get some 114 00:05:44,780 --> 00:05:42,810 more information but this is pretty 115 00:05:46,550 --> 00:05:44,790 interesting sighting though I don't know 116 00:05:49,910 --> 00:05:46,560 if it's related as to what's been going 117 00:05:52,580 --> 00:05:49,920 on Chicago since was 18 years ago so 118 00:05:54,830 --> 00:05:52,590 tonight I welcome you foe research and 119 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:54,840 author dr. Raymond Keller to arcane 120 00:05:59,930 --> 00:05:57,690 radio now cosmic ray is a retired 121 00:06:02,390 --> 00:05:59,940 history professor who has lived and 122 00:06:04,490 --> 00:06:02,400 worked in 44 different countries has 123 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:04,500 been raining by UFOs and paranormal 124 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:08,490 activity since 1967 he was the founder 125 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:09,930 director of the outer space 126 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:12,090 international research and investigators 127 00:06:17,780 --> 00:06:15,090 Society he has also written several 128 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:17,790 books including his Venus rising trilogy 129 00:06:23,870 --> 00:06:21,090 with the titles Venus rising a concise 130 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:23,880 history of second planet final 131 00:06:29,690 --> 00:06:26,610 countdown' rockets to Venus and cosmic 132 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:29,700 rays excellent Venus adventure now ray 133 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:31,890 has written a new book and I'll let him 134 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:33,930 talk about that with you so ray thanks 135 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:36,240 for coming on the show oh thank you long 136 00:06:43,790 --> 00:06:40,050 it's always a pleasure to to be on on 137 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:43,800 your program my new book is called the 138 00:06:53,540 --> 00:06:50,730 vast Venus conspiracy and its consists 139 00:07:00,730 --> 00:06:53,550 of accounts by very interesting and real 140 00:07:03,980 --> 00:07:00,740 individuals in the contemporary times 141 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:03,990 astronomers and space scientists from 142 00:07:08,629 --> 00:07:06,360 around the world people that are 143 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:08,639 really in the know about intelligent 144 00:07:14,450 --> 00:07:11,550 life existing on Venus Earth's sister 145 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:14,460 planet disclosing evidence that's been 146 00:07:21,350 --> 00:07:18,330 hidden from the public at large over the 147 00:07:24,830 --> 00:07:21,360 past seventy three years and when I 148 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:24,840 think back even to the first the 1st 149 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:28,550 Mariner probe Mariner 2 that made it to 150 00:07:41,499 --> 00:07:37,550 within about 82,000 miles of Venus in a 151 00:07:44,420 --> 00:07:41,509 in a flyby it reported back that the 152 00:07:48,619 --> 00:07:44,430 temperature of Venus was like 800 153 00:07:51,649 --> 00:07:48,629 degrees Fahrenheit and that life 154 00:07:54,260 --> 00:07:51,659 couldn't exist there but I'm immediately 155 00:07:58,309 --> 00:07:54,270 back in the United States astronomers 156 00:08:01,879 --> 00:07:58,319 came out with information contrary to 157 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:01,889 that one of them was dr. John strong of 158 00:08:09,010 --> 00:08:06,240 John Hopkins University and together 159 00:08:15,339 --> 00:08:09,020 with the Navy they were doing 160 00:08:19,180 --> 00:08:15,349 atmospheric tests with balloons about 161 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:19,190 you know tens of thousands of miles 162 00:08:28,249 --> 00:08:24,120 above the earth above our own distortion 163 00:08:30,019 --> 00:08:28,259 of our own atmosphere and they they 164 00:08:33,649 --> 00:08:30,029 determined that the upper clouds 165 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:33,659 surrounding Venus were composed of ice 166 00:08:40,819 --> 00:08:37,529 particles hmm so uh and with almost 167 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:40,829 every mission that's gone that's gone to 168 00:08:47,319 --> 00:08:43,649 Venus or other other planets in this 169 00:08:51,199 --> 00:08:47,329 solar system or or or even to the moon 170 00:08:54,769 --> 00:08:51,209 there have always been there always been 171 00:08:57,410 --> 00:08:54,779 astronauts or astronomers that have 172 00:09:00,500 --> 00:08:57,420 leaked out information about what they 173 00:09:02,870 --> 00:09:00,510 really discovered but that they didn't 174 00:09:05,689 --> 00:09:02,880 reveal to the public so in the vast 175 00:09:09,710 --> 00:09:05,699 venus conspiracy i look at a lot of 176 00:09:13,180 --> 00:09:09,720 things like that can you i can you name 177 00:09:15,860 --> 00:09:13,190 some instances or individuals that are a 178 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:15,870 part of the book you know III do know 179 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:18,930 one thing it seems that the the Russians 180 00:09:24,140 --> 00:09:20,130 have shown more 181 00:09:25,370 --> 00:09:24,150 interest in Venus and the NASA has 182 00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:25,380 that's correct 183 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:29,880 oh yeah yes it seems like there was been 184 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:39,110 delineation of outer space as far as 185 00:09:48,830 --> 00:09:44,370 assignments go and like we were given a 186 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:48,840 purview over Mars and they kept they 187 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:52,290 kept a monopoly on on Venus for the 188 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:55,770 longest time but now of course others 189 00:10:02,690 --> 00:09:58,050 have gotten into the game 190 00:10:05,150 --> 00:10:02,700 the Japanese have sent the Akatsuki 191 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:05,160 probe to Venus 192 00:10:11,930 --> 00:10:08,760 India is planning on sending a probe to 193 00:10:17,270 --> 00:10:11,940 Venus and the European Union and sent 194 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:17,280 the Venus Express there so it's it is 195 00:10:23,930 --> 00:10:21,090 that the popular planet more probes have 196 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:23,940 been sent there than any other world are 197 00:10:30,260 --> 00:10:27,090 they are they providing much information 198 00:10:34,330 --> 00:10:30,270 as to what they're finding on Venus or 199 00:10:37,970 --> 00:10:34,340 is it just I know is a kind of a seeker 200 00:10:40,130 --> 00:10:37,980 it's a it's a secret do you have to you 201 00:10:44,290 --> 00:10:40,140 have to read between the lines and see 202 00:10:46,910 --> 00:10:44,300 what what other scientists are saying 203 00:10:51,710 --> 00:10:46,920 around the world and pay close attention 204 00:10:54,590 --> 00:10:51,720 to it as well as astronauts come out and 205 00:10:57,860 --> 00:10:54,600 leak information every once in a while I 206 00:11:01,360 --> 00:10:57,870 had the opportunity of meeting the 207 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:01,370 Apollo 8 astronauts in the spring of 208 00:11:12,170 --> 00:11:09,090 1969 and when I was I was the editor of 209 00:11:16,130 --> 00:11:12,180 the Flying Saucer report and I was at 210 00:11:19,550 --> 00:11:16,140 this Cleveland City Club and they said 211 00:11:24,430 --> 00:11:19,560 that yes they've seen things in space as 212 00:11:27,170 --> 00:11:24,440 far as unidentified objects go but they 213 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:27,180 aren't permitted to talk about it 214 00:11:32,690 --> 00:11:30,480 although some like Edgar Mitchell might 215 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:32,700 come out and he's 216 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:37,800 he's spoken extensively sometimes in 217 00:11:45,260 --> 00:11:42,120 conjunction with Paul Hellyer the former 218 00:11:48,650 --> 00:11:45,270 defense minister up in Canada about the 219 00:11:51,890 --> 00:11:48,660 the alien presence on the moon and other 220 00:11:54,050 --> 00:11:51,900 planets enter in our solar system so 221 00:11:58,700 --> 00:11:54,060 they they know they're they're out there 222 00:12:02,000 --> 00:11:58,710 because they've seen them yeah it seems 223 00:12:05,660 --> 00:12:02,010 that Buzz Aldrin has an unfrozen Firdous 224 00:12:07,700 --> 00:12:05,670 for a long time you know he's written 225 00:12:10,820 --> 00:12:07,710 several books he's not really come right 226 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:10,830 out and said that there are aliens out 227 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:12,930 there but he's inferred it 228 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:16,380 oh yes Buzz Aldrin and I even had 229 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:20,400 mentioned the possibility of of the two 230 00:12:28,670 --> 00:12:24,930 Martian moons Phobos and Deimos being 231 00:12:31,910 --> 00:12:28,680 artificial constructs oh okay and 232 00:12:36,980 --> 00:12:31,920 possibly being some kind of some kind of 233 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:36,990 space Space Station so the book itself 234 00:12:42,310 --> 00:12:39,530 can you talk about some of the 235 00:12:49,150 --> 00:12:42,320 individuals and that you wrote about oh 236 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:49,160 yes well I looked at the Idaho civilian 237 00:12:57,470 --> 00:12:53,490 pilot who started the UFO craze flying 238 00:13:01,700 --> 00:12:57,480 saucer craze 73 years ago Kenneth Arnold 239 00:13:07,580 --> 00:13:01,710 and we all know his story Allen the 24th 240 00:13:10,850 --> 00:13:07,590 of June 1947 he reported nine objects 241 00:13:13,030 --> 00:13:10,860 like saucers skipping across water so 242 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:13,040 when the newspapers got a hold of his 243 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:17,420 story that began the applying saucer era 244 00:13:27,530 --> 00:13:33,580 actually investigated lots of reports of 245 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:36,710 flying saucers and UFOs all throughout 246 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:41,850 the West all throughout the west up and 247 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:46,510 tilted up until the mid 1950s when 248 00:13:56,350 --> 00:13:52,300 civilian UFO groups took took hold and 249 00:13:59,350 --> 00:13:56,360 some of their reports especially 250 00:14:04,510 --> 00:13:59,360 concerning the landing of Venusian Scout 251 00:14:08,860 --> 00:14:04,520 ships are are in the vast Venus 252 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:08,870 conspiracy book there is one on the 253 00:14:17,230 --> 00:14:12,710 Washington State Coast on the Pacific 254 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:17,240 Coast a little ways a little ways inland 255 00:14:23,710 --> 00:14:20,480 from the coast a few few hundred feet 256 00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:23,720 into the tree tree lying on a beach 257 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:28,160 where a carpenter and a retired railroad 258 00:14:38,140 --> 00:14:35,360 worker encountered occupants from landed 259 00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:38,150 craft and they identified themselves as 260 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:41,750 being from the planet Venus and being 261 00:14:49,660 --> 00:14:45,410 tourists being tourists unearthed and 262 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:49,670 there's another encounter in there that 263 00:14:55,860 --> 00:14:52,610 Kenneth Arnold investigated where there 264 00:15:01,210 --> 00:14:55,870 were all these reports in a California 265 00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:01,220 National Park and including from the 266 00:15:07,660 --> 00:15:05,540 ranger station but also found there 267 00:15:11,140 --> 00:15:07,670 later found their way into one of Donald 268 00:15:13,650 --> 00:15:11,150 iki home sports but there were two 269 00:15:18,420 --> 00:15:13,660 couples that were camping out and they 270 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:18,430 they encountered a mysterious horseman 271 00:15:28,750 --> 00:15:24,830 who emerged after all these all these 272 00:15:35,830 --> 00:15:28,760 orbs were hovering over over a mountain 273 00:15:40,180 --> 00:15:35,840 valley and he could hardly speak in any 274 00:15:43,530 --> 00:15:40,190 English with a very strange accent and 275 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:43,540 and announced that he was a tourist 276 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:47,600 there from from Venus and he that he 277 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:50,690 loved horses and he loves horseback 278 00:16:00,740 --> 00:15:58,370 interesting 279 00:16:03,290 --> 00:16:00,750 man you seem to come up a lot a lot of 280 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:03,300 these different references the Venus I'm 281 00:16:12,860 --> 00:16:09,270 amazed at what you research so is there 282 00:16:15,170 --> 00:16:12,870 anything else as far as individuals and 283 00:16:20,450 --> 00:16:15,180 some strange stories like that you come 284 00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:20,460 up come up with oh oh yes well there are 285 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:24,240 many many accounts from various various 286 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:28,910 contactees and the communications from 287 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:31,710 brothers and sisters of Venus that are 288 00:16:42,670 --> 00:16:34,920 that are in the book so it answers a lot 289 00:16:46,820 --> 00:16:42,680 of questions about Venus and then some 290 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:46,830 some very unique photographs of Long 291 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:50,720 John Neville at the giant rock 292 00:16:58,820 --> 00:16:54,450 convention that was held out at Landers 293 00:17:01,460 --> 00:16:58,830 field in in California and a lot of the 294 00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:01,470 controversy surrounding his program that 295 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:06,750 was on nightly long before there was art 296 00:17:15,290 --> 00:17:09,270 Dell or George Noory there was long John 297 00:17:17,390 --> 00:17:15,300 Neville on wor in New York and he 298 00:17:22,540 --> 00:17:17,400 interviewed all the contactees of the 299 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:22,550 day Howard manager oldest oldest car 300 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:28,110 George Adamski all these people and a 301 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:30,690 lot of prestigious contactees and 302 00:17:35,930 --> 00:17:31,770 ufologists 303 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:35,940 Frank Edwards let's see dr. Frank 304 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:41,820 strangers was on there and so a lot of 305 00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:46,170 documentation from from his program from 306 00:17:57,010 --> 00:17:51,360 the 1950s into the mid-1960s and his 307 00:17:59,900 --> 00:17:57,020 long battle against UFO secrecy and the 308 00:18:05,180 --> 00:17:59,910 attempts by the government to downplay 309 00:18:08,660 --> 00:18:05,190 the the contactees and efforts at spying 310 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:08,670 on them and trying to reduce their 311 00:18:13,850 --> 00:18:10,890 credibility and so and so for 312 00:18:18,590 --> 00:18:13,860 so it as it turned out a long time and a 313 00:18:22,190 --> 00:18:18,600 lot of a lot of respect for the the 314 00:18:26,780 --> 00:18:22,200 contactees and there's photographs in 315 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:26,790 there with Evelyn Smith otherwise known 316 00:18:32,810 --> 00:18:30,810 as a Zora reigns she was the science 317 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:32,820 fiction writer wealth while here on 318 00:18:43,970 --> 00:18:37,130 earth and in the photographs of him with 319 00:18:49,460 --> 00:18:43,980 George Adamski and and some other other 320 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:49,470 of the contactees Dominic luchessi was 321 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:53,730 one of them his story is in the is in 322 00:19:01,070 --> 00:18:56,580 the book I got to he was in New Jersey 323 00:19:04,910 --> 00:19:01,080 ham operator and he worked very closely 324 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:04,920 with gray Barker and publishing the 325 00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:09,810 saucer news and also on the East Coast 326 00:19:18,140 --> 00:19:14,910 there with with James Mosely and he 327 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:18,150 worked with also with all those UFO 328 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:23,370 groups in New Jersey and leamanczyk who 329 00:19:33,950 --> 00:19:28,230 was working with civilian saucer 330 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:33,960 intelligence and nightcap and his story 331 00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:38,250 is very very interesting because he and 332 00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:42,960 he and a friend had received a 333 00:19:51,170 --> 00:19:45,480 communication on their shortwave radio 334 00:19:57,890 --> 00:19:51,180 under ham radio from aura Raines first 335 00:20:00,350 --> 00:19:57,900 an encoded message and then later to go 336 00:20:03,230 --> 00:20:00,360 to the coordinates out in the New Jersey 337 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,240 countryside where they met her and the 338 00:20:12,770 --> 00:20:06,000 landed saucer and when it went on board 339 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:12,780 the saucer and and then he drew he drew 340 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:20,010 pictures of her as well as from pictures 341 00:20:27,810 --> 00:20:24,250 base and others encounters with her and 342 00:20:30,419 --> 00:20:27,820 and her spaceship and so all that 343 00:20:34,110 --> 00:20:30,429 information is there in it's entirely 344 00:20:37,529 --> 00:20:34,120 for the first time that that people can 345 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:37,539 see it in the vast Venus conspiracy so 346 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:40,809 just in a couple weeks it'll be out in 347 00:20:49,620 --> 00:20:44,860 Kindle it'll be a kindle version as well 348 00:20:52,140 --> 00:20:49,630 as a hardcover book on on Amazon 349 00:20:54,779 --> 00:20:52,150 well I'd ever look forward to reading it 350 00:20:57,260 --> 00:20:54,789 I mean I I'm amazed at some of the 351 00:21:01,980 --> 00:20:57,270 information that you're able to uncover 352 00:21:05,789 --> 00:21:01,990 I you're a crew ufologist I mean you 353 00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:05,799 know the lore do you arm do you believe 354 00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,460 that the government I mean this is just 355 00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:11,039 an opinion do you believe the government 356 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:15,039 worked harder back in the day with 357 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:16,990 trying to keep the lid on the UFO 358 00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:20,640 phenomena more so than they do now I 359 00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:23,980 think initially they were they were open 360 00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:30,419 to assistance when people check out 361 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:33,520 check out the Phantom's and monsters 362 00:21:39,389 --> 00:21:36,850 website they can read about the early 363 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:39,399 foundations of the aerial phenomena 364 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:43,470 research organization established by a 365 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:47,710 coral or ensign and she tell us about 366 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:51,610 that about the the air force's the air 367 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:56,110 force was formed in 1948 and it used to 368 00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,450 be the Army Air Corps 369 00:22:06,139 --> 00:22:00,880 almost immediately after the Air Force 370 00:22:09,450 --> 00:22:06,149 was was formed they had switched from 371 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:09,460 from project grudge to powerlessly 372 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:13,450 project project sign to project grudge 373 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:17,440 and then to project Bluebook within the 374 00:22:29,399 --> 00:22:22,559 first couple of years and during the 375 00:22:35,790 --> 00:22:29,409 Bluebook era that began in 1952 or 48 376 00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:35,800 and then by 1952 it was 377 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:40,660 captain Edward J ruppelt he was the the 378 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:44,360 director of it and dr. J Allen Hynek was 379 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:48,110 his chief consult consulting officer 380 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:52,250 they actually sought the assistance of 381 00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:57,170 civilian UFO groups in recruiting their 382 00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:01,760 members to be to be sky watchers and 383 00:23:08,050 --> 00:23:05,030 then as as you know that the radar net 384 00:23:10,690 --> 00:23:08,060 around the United States and not been 385 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:10,700 fully established so there were lots of 386 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:13,010 gaps and they figured that they had 387 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:18,530 about 20 23 states where they they were 388 00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:22,610 lacking coverage so they needed they 389 00:23:32,290 --> 00:23:26,480 needed people on the ground as spotters 390 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:32,300 for four unidentified aircraft and Cora 391 00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:39,650 Lorenzen who founded a pro in in 1952 392 00:23:47,470 --> 00:23:43,790 and Sturgeon Bay Wisconsin already had 393 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:47,480 an international operation going with 394 00:23:52,810 --> 00:23:49,730 contacts worldwide and of course all 395 00:23:55,630 --> 00:23:52,820 across the United States and and Canada 396 00:24:02,800 --> 00:23:55,640 and she recruited members in the United 397 00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:02,810 States to service as as spotters but but 398 00:24:13,890 --> 00:24:08,500 what had happened as as you look at the 399 00:24:16,990 --> 00:24:13,900 the archives of a pro as well as the 400 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:17,000 IFSP International Flying Saucer Bureau 401 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:21,710 of Albert K bender and Connecticut what 402 00:24:28,420 --> 00:24:25,510 we see is that there was a gradual 403 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:28,430 diminishing of cooperation between the 404 00:24:35,650 --> 00:24:33,050 government and the government and the 405 00:24:39,490 --> 00:24:35,660 civilian UFO groups and what Cora 406 00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:39,500 Lorenzen thought was was happening was 407 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:44,240 that that even Blue Book was being left 408 00:24:49,450 --> 00:24:47,720 in the dark and being fed a lot of bogus 409 00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:49,460 reports 410 00:25:03,610 --> 00:24:57,529 as as as we see various various sections 411 00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:03,620 of operations within the CIA were we're 412 00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:09,039 taking charge of the real high level UFO 413 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:12,799 investigations and coral was able to get 414 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:19,570 a hold of the Robertson panel report and 415 00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,570 she was also able to discover through 416 00:25:28,090 --> 00:25:26,000 her own channels of people in the 417 00:25:32,289 --> 00:25:28,100 military that would leak her various 418 00:25:35,879 --> 00:25:32,299 information that dr. Menzel Donald 419 00:25:39,629 --> 00:25:35,889 Menzel and others were on the payroll of 420 00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:39,639 the CIA and I had a lot of their their 421 00:25:46,810 --> 00:25:42,860 projects at various universities that 422 00:25:50,259 --> 00:25:46,820 were funded by the government and 423 00:25:56,379 --> 00:25:50,269 working through the working through the 424 00:26:02,500 --> 00:25:56,389 CIA on a recent program to I did was up 425 00:26:10,169 --> 00:26:02,510 in Canada with the yuphoria Chronicles I 426 00:26:16,659 --> 00:26:10,179 revealed a document a CIA document where 427 00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:16,669 dr. Stanton Friedman was working through 428 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:19,340 the CIA with the dispatch from the 429 00:26:27,129 --> 00:26:22,610 Atomic Energy Commission to go to West 430 00:26:34,269 --> 00:26:27,139 Africa in pursuit of an object that had 431 00:26:38,019 --> 00:26:34,279 crashed in in a in a small West African 432 00:26:43,389 --> 00:26:38,029 country it was cut then known as the 433 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:43,399 upper volta and to retrieve the retrieve 434 00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:48,710 this object and so we see that that his 435 00:27:00,720 --> 00:26:56,110 interest in in UFOs goes way back and 436 00:27:02,499 --> 00:27:00,730 his involvement in it is is a lot 437 00:27:06,879 --> 00:27:02,509 steeper than any 438 00:27:09,639 --> 00:27:06,889 but I have a copy of that of that CIA 439 00:27:13,589 --> 00:27:09,649 report with all the actionable agencies 440 00:27:17,949 --> 00:27:13,599 on it and Stanton Friedman features 441 00:27:21,999 --> 00:27:17,959 prominently prominently in it so you 442 00:27:29,459 --> 00:27:22,009 know there was a there's definitely an 443 00:27:32,949 --> 00:27:29,469 increased a an increased level of 444 00:27:37,499 --> 00:27:32,959 government control over that and by the 445 00:27:39,729 --> 00:27:37,509 by the CIA that was even marginalizing 446 00:27:45,939 --> 00:27:39,739 project project Bluebook 447 00:27:49,719 --> 00:27:45,949 so choral notice that that they were 448 00:27:52,959 --> 00:27:49,729 getting reports a Pro aerial phenomena 449 00:27:55,449 --> 00:27:52,969 research organization we're getting all 450 00:27:58,199 --> 00:27:55,459 the good supports you know cryptid 451 00:28:02,979 --> 00:27:58,209 sightings and occupants and everything 452 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:02,989 contact these and Project Blue Book was 453 00:28:09,849 --> 00:28:05,289 just getting basically lights and the 454 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:09,859 lights in the sky and that started to 455 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:16,129 happen and started to intensify that 456 00:28:23,499 --> 00:28:19,809 rift after the summer of 1952 because 457 00:28:27,339 --> 00:28:23,509 June 1952 is when the Washington 458 00:28:30,189 --> 00:28:27,349 National sightings took place right that 459 00:28:33,399 --> 00:28:30,199 was that was really the start of the 460 00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:33,409 Flying Saucer controversy in America 461 00:28:44,019 --> 00:28:36,169 because all the major newspapers look 462 00:28:47,889 --> 00:28:44,029 like they were all publishing articles 463 00:28:50,259 --> 00:28:47,899 about flying saucers you know it's 464 00:28:53,109 --> 00:28:50,269 interesting that you mentioned that my 465 00:28:57,879 --> 00:28:53,119 father was in was in the Air Force from 466 00:28:59,649 --> 00:28:57,889 52 to 56 and he was with the five of the 467 00:29:03,609 --> 00:28:59,659 night the same bomber group that was a 468 00:29:08,199 --> 00:29:03,619 Roswell in 47 and so he knew a few 469 00:29:10,419 --> 00:29:08,209 people that were at Roswell and it's 470 00:29:13,989 --> 00:29:10,429 interesting he never wanted to talk 471 00:29:16,210 --> 00:29:13,999 about Blue Book or anything else 472 00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:16,220 associated with UFOs I'm not 473 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,780 to get him to talk about it for years 474 00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:20,240 and he just wouldn't do it and he was 475 00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:23,720 actually stationed in Morocco for 476 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:27,679 several years after he got in and it was 477 00:29:34,450 --> 00:29:30,370 working with the Strategic Air Command 478 00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:34,460 so I don't know you I don't know what 479 00:29:39,549 --> 00:29:37,340 exactly was going on but from things 480 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:39,559 that I have heard from other people and 481 00:29:45,789 --> 00:29:42,440 from what I've read it did seem that the 482 00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:45,799 Air Force and I guess the government in 483 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:48,100 general became much more secretive about 484 00:29:58,450 --> 00:29:52,760 UFO activity as time went on oh yes they 485 00:30:01,840 --> 00:29:58,460 sure did because the the CIA was what 486 00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:01,850 was concerned because the UFOs were 487 00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:06,860 appearing over military bases in all 488 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:09,820 across the United States and across the 489 00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:13,390 the Soviet Union and also in China 490 00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:19,429 hmm and there was also this neutralizing 491 00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:24,470 of atomic stockpiles with these with the 492 00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:27,460 deployment of these green fireballs 493 00:30:34,539 --> 00:30:31,900 mm-hmm and so it was a big national 494 00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:34,549 security concern and it's interesting 495 00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:38,140 too that you mentioned Morocco because 496 00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:42,559 out of Spain there was there was a 497 00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:44,950 bomber that had totally disappeared 498 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:52,159 brain and it's flying over over the 499 00:30:59,950 --> 00:30:56,510 Mediterranean out of Spain I headed over 500 00:31:04,570 --> 00:30:59,960 a North Africa and it just disappeared 501 00:31:06,669 --> 00:31:04,580 completely and nobody's ever found it 502 00:31:10,210 --> 00:31:06,679 and it's really hard to get information 503 00:31:18,299 --> 00:31:10,220 on that case but but I do have some of 504 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:18,309 it that that that I've published I'm I 505 00:31:24,130 --> 00:31:21,650 think I think it's in one of these I 506 00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:24,140 think it's in the new Venus book - right 507 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:27,080 okay yeah you know I always thought it 508 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:28,770 was interesting you know 509 00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:33,110 because I knew your station there and 510 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:36,030 but when I went I would ever bring the 511 00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:39,330 subject of UFOs up through the book or 512 00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:41,520 you know he would he would absolutely 513 00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:44,460 refuse to talk about it even to his 514 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:48,600 dying day he wouldn't talk about it it 515 00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:51,090 may it may have been it wouldn't it 516 00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:53,820 wasn't anything personal but when you're 517 00:32:02,180 --> 00:31:58,110 in the military and then when you when 518 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:02,190 you leave they have you sign a yeah they 519 00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:06,450 have you sign you have a briefing and 520 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:09,470 then he's signed under penalty of 521 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:12,210 penalty of law and a twenty thousand 522 00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,250 dollar fine that that anything of a 523 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:19,440 classified nature day that he worked 524 00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,200 with that you won't talk about it yeah 525 00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:27,120 it was kind of frustrating because I 526 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:28,350 tell you you know since I've been 527 00:32:33,050 --> 00:32:30,600 involved with a lot of freezing 528 00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:33,060 phenomena over the years he had he 529 00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:34,620 didn't want to have anything to do with 530 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:38,580 it talk about any of it and you know of 531 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:42,330 course I used to have his reunion so 532 00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:45,140 they used to have the reunions are read 533 00:32:53,030 --> 00:32:49,020 over in Dayton every year over at ray 534 00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:53,040 Patterson and I did tag along with him 535 00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:56,220 on two occasions and it was very 536 00:33:02,150 --> 00:32:58,200 interesting talking some of the people 537 00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:02,160 that were there some would say things 538 00:33:08,660 --> 00:33:05,280 and I overall pressing that I got from 539 00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:08,670 people was that yeah Roswell was real 540 00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:11,580 that that whole incident happened what 541 00:33:15,140 --> 00:33:14,160 you hear probably did happen but of 542 00:33:19,670 --> 00:33:15,150 course they're not going to go into 543 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:19,680 detail but you know it but as far as he 544 00:33:27,650 --> 00:33:23,510 went he just would not talk about it 545 00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:27,660 well III think I could understand I I 546 00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:31,500 could understand his his trepidation to 547 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:38,340 how to do that what what coral did to 548 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:41,570 protect protect sources 549 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:45,830 she from the early days of the APRA 550 00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:48,530 bullets and she began to to publish a 551 00:33:59,680 --> 00:33:55,190 rumors column okay and so airmen and 552 00:34:02,380 --> 00:33:59,690 other people that didn't want their 553 00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:02,390 identity disclosed or you know any 554 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:04,700 chance of ruining their career or 555 00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:06,410 anything at that time 556 00:34:14,410 --> 00:34:10,480 maybe out of fear of ridicule or or just 557 00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:14,420 security could concerns could tell their 558 00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:20,480 story and then she would publish the the 559 00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:23,390 basic elements of it and so what I did 560 00:34:29,130 --> 00:34:25,910 in that series of articles was to take 561 00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:29,140 the rumors and then to correlate it with 562 00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:34,820 with other known facts about about UFO 563 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:37,340 cases that were emerging at that 564 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:43,370 particular time and so there was a lot 565 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:45,850 of connections there that I found with 566 00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:50,290 the Aztec New Mexico crash in March of 567 00:35:02,400 --> 00:34:57,190 1948 brain and other incidents that 568 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:02,410 contrary to popular belief really happen 569 00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:06,940 and in the risk they read that article 570 00:35:15,790 --> 00:35:13,070 on your on your webpage or if they check 571 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:15,800 out my second book the final countdown 572 00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:19,130 Rockets to Venus they can read about the 573 00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:23,750 the president of the shale company in in 574 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:27,110 Colorado who was dispatched dispatching 575 00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:31,730 equipment to halt the saucer out at 576 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:36,440 Aztec and transported to Los Alamos in 577 00:35:42,510 --> 00:35:39,680 New Mexico the the the immigrant 578 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:42,520 photographer from Lithuania and the 579 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:45,320 refugees from the communist country who 580 00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:52,490 was also a doctor a PhD and he went 581 00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:54,990 inside the saucer and took pictures 582 00:36:03,410 --> 00:35:59,700 it like honeycomb lattice the type of 583 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:03,420 array the measurements of the saucer the 584 00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:07,290 significance of the magnetic principles 585 00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:10,860 and the number nine and everything that 586 00:36:16,750 --> 00:36:13,140 Frank Scully wrote about in behind the 587 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:16,760 flying saucers it's all there for the 588 00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:20,910 for the first time and one of this 589 00:36:31,220 --> 00:36:27,230 information that it comes from from very 590 00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:31,230 very reliable sources and I do document 591 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:34,880 everything so people can follow up on it 592 00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:39,170 dr. Leo sprinkle was one of this 593 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:43,320 scientific consultants to a pro from 594 00:36:54,020 --> 00:36:47,010 early on and he wrote the introduction 595 00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:54,030 to to the very first Venus book a Venus 596 00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:57,180 rising a concise history of the second 597 00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:59,570 planet so since my early days and 598 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:02,880 ufology going back like fifty five years 599 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:08,730 I was a member of of a pro and proud to 600 00:37:15,590 --> 00:37:11,250 be a have been a member of that 601 00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:15,600 prestigious UFO group yeah you have 602 00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:18,060 probably seen a lot more than you have 603 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:20,220 one that you've actually talked about 604 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:28,170 I'm quite sure oh oh yes and I realized 605 00:37:36,140 --> 00:37:31,050 that you know that there's a certain 606 00:37:40,030 --> 00:37:36,150 woowoo factor yeah in all this but but I 607 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:40,040 kind of take my cue from one of the 608 00:37:48,859 --> 00:37:43,530 early pioneers of ufology that I admired 609 00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:48,869 very much was George Adamski and right I 610 00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,000 have one of his one of his books that 611 00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,180 very few few people have seen just 612 00:38:07,890 --> 00:37:59,760 before he died a few months before he 613 00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:07,900 died in 1965 he he was concerned 614 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:09,819 about his health and he didn't know if 615 00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:13,710 he was going to you know how long he was 616 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:18,220 going to go on so what he did was he put 617 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:20,770 together a pamphlet and he gave it to 618 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:22,089 its inner circle 619 00:38:27,299 --> 00:38:24,910 it's called answers to questions most 620 00:38:30,059 --> 00:38:27,309 frequently asked about our space 621 00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:30,069 visitors and other another planets and 622 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:32,529 the first question that they asked him 623 00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:35,049 was have you published in other books 624 00:38:41,059 --> 00:38:38,020 and supplying saucers farewell and that 625 00:38:45,269 --> 00:38:41,069 was his third his third book about 626 00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:45,279 flying saucers from Venus and he said no 627 00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,529 but I hope to if if time permits and 628 00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:53,200 that's kind of how I feel because as a 629 00:39:02,130 --> 00:38:56,680 as a survivor of open-heart surgery at 630 00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:02,140 the Pittsburgh VA hospital I don't know 631 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:05,920 you know exactly like I'm just on 632 00:39:13,289 --> 00:39:09,130 borrowed time so to speak so I want to 633 00:39:16,799 --> 00:39:13,299 get all these books out as as as much as 634 00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:16,809 I can to to get this information out 635 00:39:23,609 --> 00:39:20,020 there before it gets lost well I tell 636 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:23,619 you and I and I do appreciate I do 637 00:39:29,490 --> 00:39:27,010 appreciate you a lot great cuz you and I 638 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:29,500 have been in the car together going to 639 00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:31,450 locations and some of the conversations 640 00:39:36,269 --> 00:39:34,270 we have had those times are quite 641 00:39:37,319 --> 00:39:36,279 interesting they have been very 642 00:39:41,490 --> 00:39:37,329 interesting 643 00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:41,500 oh yes yes oh I really appreciate you 644 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:45,190 long and I appreciate your column and 645 00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:49,569 the and the and the program I think it's 646 00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:53,140 it's it's it's really great because 647 00:40:02,670 --> 00:39:58,990 you're giving a voice to do to a lot of 648 00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,680 people that that need to be heard one of 649 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:05,200 the people that you had on one of your 650 00:40:12,299 --> 00:40:09,490 programs is really outstanding Diane 651 00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:12,309 Tessman who protested The Time 652 00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,220 Traveller's she's also in a group of 653 00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:18,240 people that work very closely with 654 00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:21,190 through the through the years we talked 655 00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:24,790 Oh spring Paul yeah she didn't mention 656 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:30,790 Leo sprinkle she did I believe he wrote 657 00:40:35,309 --> 00:40:33,250 an introduction to one of her books yes 658 00:40:38,099 --> 00:40:35,319 he did yeah absolutely he did 659 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:38,109 yeah she I think she's published like 660 00:40:49,410 --> 00:40:45,130 five five books so far yes let me ask 661 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:49,420 you this now of course Roswell was in 47 662 00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:51,970 you mentioned the Aztec incident was in 663 00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:55,440 48 you know is it is it coincidental 664 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:00,400 just happenstance that the Cold War the 665 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:06,400 nuclear age these UFO crashes and such 666 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:09,609 Arnold settings all happen around the 667 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:11,770 same time is that just coincidental is 668 00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:16,170 there something behind that I know it's 669 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:19,740 it's there's nothing there's nothing 670 00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:26,770 coincidental about it because well it to 671 00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:30,790 my understanding all of all of space is 672 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:37,079 filled with intelligences and many at 673 00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,510 higher dimensional levels and we just 674 00:41:46,589 --> 00:41:42,640 can't see it because it's operating at a 675 00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:46,599 higher vibration it's moving that the 676 00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:49,750 molecular structure of beings are moving 677 00:41:55,319 --> 00:41:52,960 much faster for example if you you know 678 00:41:58,620 --> 00:41:55,329 if you look at the blades of a fan when 679 00:42:00,720 --> 00:41:58,630 it's turned on and spinning at a high 680 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:00,730 speed you could see right through it 681 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:03,490 mm-hmm so it's you know basically the 682 00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:07,810 the same kind of the same kind of 683 00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,440 principle so all the planets of our 684 00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,319 solar system are inhabited either with 685 00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:17,680 indigenous life or her life that was 686 00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:20,920 brought there from from from somewhere 687 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:26,140 else and Venus being the planet that's 688 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:30,609 nearest to to the earth would have the 689 00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:32,890 greatest concern as we enter the space 690 00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:34,020 age 691 00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:40,980 taking that we're taking our aggressions 692 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:45,150 into into our space because it's kind of 693 00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:47,970 there goes the neighborhood type all 694 00:42:54,350 --> 00:42:51,000 right there goes the neighborhood type 695 00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:54,360 scenario so naturally they're concerned 696 00:43:01,580 --> 00:42:56,670 about that and especially the moon 697 00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:01,590 because the moon has been an observation 698 00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:06,900 post for the si saucer intelligences for 699 00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:09,480 for countless millennia as they've been 700 00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:13,950 closely observing our progress here on 701 00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:17,100 earth and they they have intervened from 702 00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:20,990 time to time contacting governments 703 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:24,440 government officials in high places 704 00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:27,930 trusted government officials working for 705 00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:33,440 peace and scientists in areas that can 706 00:43:37,810 --> 00:43:36,780 benefit humankind and the progress of 707 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:37,820 humankind 708 00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:43,170 like valiant Thor was contributing 709 00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:51,420 information about peaceful development 710 00:44:00,500 --> 00:43:57,300 of space and space medicine and and and 711 00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:00,510 so forth but not sharing any technology 712 00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:04,740 that were there that would increase you 713 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:09,140 know what mentation of weaponry right 714 00:44:15,350 --> 00:44:11,610 you know we're gonna we're gonna have to 715 00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:15,360 do a show one time in relation to a 716 00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:17,430 valiant Thor and the Pentagon and that 717 00:44:25,310 --> 00:44:21,150 whole story behind all that because that 718 00:44:28,850 --> 00:44:25,320 is a fascinating story and I personally 719 00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:28,860 believe there's still a lot that's still 720 00:44:36,310 --> 00:44:31,710 going on in relation to even though I've 721 00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:36,320 so many years ago to the value of Thor's 722 00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:41,520 presence and Pentagon oh yes well and 723 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:46,320 the the rent.com website 724 00:44:52,310 --> 00:44:49,290 I published a series of articles and on 725 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:52,320 the promise revealed that has the 726 00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:55,050 notebook that valiant Thor was writing 727 00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:01,020 in on that day in 1958 at the at the 728 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:03,660 Menger farm on angered farm at 729 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:06,090 Highbridge and then the other photos 730 00:45:15,110 --> 00:45:10,730 that were taken that day at the farm of 731 00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,120 the Tharp sisters and other people that 732 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:17,040 were in attendance inside Howard 733 00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:20,730 managers house late at night in the sky 734 00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:24,510 watch and Howard mangers son talking 735 00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:27,750 about the cigar shape ship and all of 736 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:32,220 our GISI Roberts the photographer that 737 00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:36,450 day his his typed comments and his feel 738 00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:40,560 on the back of of of all those photos 739 00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:49,440 and I was helping Greg Campobasso he did 740 00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,110 allow those blaxploitation films and 741 00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:54,960 Rhine Sky Captain and the World of 742 00:46:00,980 --> 00:45:57,510 Tomorrow but he was also working he's 743 00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:00,990 got a 23 minute segment on valiant Thor 744 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:04,200 that he's done so far and he's looking 745 00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:07,290 to do a full-length feature on the 746 00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:10,590 valiant Thor story yeah that would be 747 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:13,980 interesting a Pentagon and so I was 748 00:46:21,140 --> 00:46:17,730 serving as a consultant oh no I think I 749 00:46:24,190 --> 00:46:21,150 mean information on that and I'd be 750 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:24,200 happy to do a program on on just on 751 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:28,290 valiant pour anytime you'd like what 752 00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,570 okay that sounds great I mean I'm going 753 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:32,700 to take you up on that because it is a 754 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:36,690 quite interesting story now not too long 755 00:46:43,340 --> 00:46:39,570 ago and you and I talked about this a 756 00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:43,350 bit on one of our trips you were at the 757 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:46,380 you were in China tell us a bit about 758 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:50,850 your adventure in China okay well we 759 00:46:58,940 --> 00:46:54,890 were sponsored by by a consortium of 760 00:47:00,260 --> 00:46:58,950 metaphysical and and UFO groups there 761 00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:00,270 myself and Rob 762 00:47:07,850 --> 00:47:05,400 water to come and talk about flying 763 00:47:14,660 --> 00:47:07,860 saucers the history of flying saucers 764 00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:14,670 over over China and life on Venus and 765 00:47:24,590 --> 00:47:20,790 and other planets and so forth and we 766 00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:24,600 went two to three cities in in China and 767 00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:30,980 the two of them in the North Tianjin and 768 00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:34,230 some other ones we didn't have any 769 00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:41,780 problem but when we got down to Chengdu 770 00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:46,140 we we started off as a metaphysical 771 00:47:57,350 --> 00:47:51,060 center there's a group like golden rose 772 00:48:05,920 --> 00:47:57,360 study group and as soon as I got set up 773 00:48:09,790 --> 00:48:08,690 immigration officers and police and 774 00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:09,800 everything 775 00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:14,670 rated it and shut us down and charged us 776 00:48:28,310 --> 00:48:24,540 with religious propaganda and then we 777 00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:28,320 were who we were in detention therefore 778 00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:32,430 the police station in Chengdu for 13 779 00:48:40,070 --> 00:48:37,200 hours and we we called the American 780 00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:40,080 consulate and that they advised us to 781 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:48,660 just cooperate with them and he and hear 782 00:48:55,930 --> 00:48:50,730 that or just don't volunteer any 783 00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:55,940 information right at all but I told them 784 00:49:02,510 --> 00:48:58,500 you know we're not involved in any 785 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:02,520 halting activity I said you could you 786 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:05,370 could check you could check it out on 787 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:08,850 Amazon or check B check the internet I 788 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:13,410 don't represent any organisation I'm 789 00:49:22,930 --> 00:49:13,770 just 790 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:22,940 represent me myself and I they let us go 791 00:49:29,390 --> 00:49:25,890 yeah you were detained in China for how 792 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:29,400 long 13 hours yeah but you're you're 793 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:32,490 actually grounded oh don't believe the 794 00:49:36,590 --> 00:49:35,910 country right right for like a week and 795 00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:36,600 a half 796 00:49:44,210 --> 00:49:40,680 oh my lord so the stories are true I 797 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:44,220 mean they don't play around when it 798 00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:52,050 comes to I guess alternative culture you 799 00:50:02,690 --> 00:49:56,240 go it right there they're worried about 800 00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:02,700 all kind of ideas new ideas coming in 801 00:50:12,910 --> 00:50:07,520 there I know that there was some kind of 802 00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:12,920 some kind of religion or some kind of 803 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:16,260 some kind of metaphysical study or where 804 00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:19,050 they do kind of movements and these kind 805 00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,500 of graceful movements and times but they 806 00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:24,540 were they were even worried about that 807 00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:29,460 and and conducted a campaign all over 808 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:32,480 China to stop it and then they had the 809 00:50:41,090 --> 00:50:37,410 you know interfering and in all kind of 810 00:50:42,830 --> 00:50:41,100 religious activities and just calling 811 00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:42,840 everything a cult if they don't 812 00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:49,350 understand it and it's a it's a serious 813 00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,119 it's a serious problem but but while we 814 00:50:59,720 --> 00:50:56,640 were in China they had a lot of 815 00:51:04,099 --> 00:50:59,730 questions about about life on other 816 00:51:09,140 --> 00:51:04,109 planets so we answered we answered them 817 00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:09,150 it's as best we could and it caused it 818 00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:13,380 caused quite a sensation Wow yeah I you 819 00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:16,200 know you sent that article over to me 820 00:51:20,540 --> 00:51:18,750 the other day and I saw the photographs 821 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:20,550 in there I'm well it was quite a group 822 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:24,930 of people oh oh yes that was the that's 823 00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:26,970 the group in 824 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:32,940 in chengdu on the on the first page 825 00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,650 right now you were sponsored by a 826 00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:40,559 religious organization when you went 827 00:51:47,299 --> 00:51:45,089 over there um it was not a religious 828 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:47,309 organization per se it's just a 829 00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:52,010 metaphysical study group okay okay 830 00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:56,280 and but there were you know some 831 00:52:02,690 --> 00:51:59,700 Tibetans in there and uh some others 832 00:52:07,549 --> 00:52:02,700 that are that are persecuted minorities 833 00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:07,559 when within China so I suppose that 834 00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:10,680 didn't go over too yeah I can imagine 835 00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:16,200 you know I probably can do it it's in 836 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:21,480 the in the province adjacent to Tibet 837 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:27,210 right so I think it it may have been you 838 00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:31,890 know just kind of getting in the mid in 839 00:52:39,859 --> 00:52:35,579 the middle of a sticky situation yeah 840 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:39,869 yeah well I mean you and you told me 841 00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:42,690 about that that story I thought oh my 842 00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:43,140 lord 843 00:52:49,339 --> 00:52:47,760 I mean how you the fact that they held 844 00:52:51,019 --> 00:52:49,349 you like to die and I you couldn't get 845 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:51,029 out of the country because there was no 846 00:52:54,859 --> 00:52:52,170 flights out of there 847 00:52:57,769 --> 00:52:54,869 and then you had to wait an extra amount 848 00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:57,779 of time I don't know what I'd have been 849 00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:00,900 thinking but uh I guess you were pretty 850 00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:05,670 cool with oh well we had to just keep 851 00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:10,760 our composure because yeah if you know 852 00:53:18,019 --> 00:53:16,140 fighting it or or it beats like being in 853 00:53:21,260 --> 00:53:18,029 quicksand and you just you don't want to 854 00:53:25,569 --> 00:53:21,270 get deeper into it yeah oh absolutely 855 00:53:29,180 --> 00:53:25,579 no I can understand that so you've got a 856 00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:29,190 conference coming up again in Mount 857 00:53:37,779 --> 00:53:33,839 Shasta talk about that way okay yes this 858 00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:37,789 is going to be this is going to be up in 859 00:53:44,310 --> 00:53:39,630 up and beautiful 860 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:44,320 it will largely be outdoors it's going 861 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:49,690 to be at the Siskiyou Masonic Lodge the 862 00:53:57,210 --> 00:53:54,010 26th of August through that's Wednesday 863 00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:57,220 the 26th of August through Sunday the 864 00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:00,540 30th of August and it's called the 865 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:03,550 promise revealed meet the venetians 866 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:07,810 mouth chest this summer conference I'll 867 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:10,090 be appearing there with Omni connect 868 00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:15,370 major George filer from New Jersey MUFON 869 00:54:23,820 --> 00:54:19,240 and the Fowler's files I'll be there 870 00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:23,830 with Laura Eisenhower the great-great 871 00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:25,870 granddaughter of President Dwight 872 00:54:34,860 --> 00:54:30,660 Eisenhower who met with valiant Thor 873 00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:34,870 also a Lois Martin's the contactee from 874 00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:35,800 Bolivia 875 00:54:43,770 --> 00:54:41,350 he'll be there many many others and if 876 00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:43,780 you want information or to purchase 877 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:50,080 tickets it's to call Rob Potter who 878 00:54:57,570 --> 00:54:53,650 lives in Mount Shasta and has the 879 00:55:02,640 --> 00:54:57,580 promise revealed website and his number 880 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:02,650 is area code five three zero nine two 881 00:55:09,060 --> 00:55:06,130 five three five zero two that's five 882 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:09,070 three zero nine two five three five zero 883 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:14,050 two so you know you went to the 884 00:55:19,410 --> 00:55:17,530 conference last year or the year before 885 00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:19,420 I don't know which was I remember you 886 00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:21,720 were there 887 00:55:29,460 --> 00:55:24,430 what is this Congress going to be like 888 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:29,470 compared to that one well when we were 889 00:55:48,970 --> 00:55:37,890 there in 2018 we had we had a great time 890 00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:48,980 there was sky watches meditations music 891 00:55:56,090 --> 00:55:52,470 lectures panels and so forth the same 892 00:56:02,080 --> 00:55:56,100 thing will will will take place we also 893 00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:02,090 had some we also had some some unusual 894 00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:07,310 some unusual visitors and we also had 895 00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:13,020 some forest fires that were that were 896 00:56:21,950 --> 00:56:19,380 going on Wow yeah so that that had to we 897 00:56:25,630 --> 00:56:21,960 had to cut things a little a little 898 00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:25,640 short because of that to get everybody 899 00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:30,540 out of there but but this year this year 900 00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,660 the the the the weather is good and it 901 00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:38,400 doesn't look like there's going to be 902 00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:43,950 any any worry about forest fires right 903 00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:47,400 that was also the year that in the pre 904 00:56:54,830 --> 00:56:50,910 and the year previous to that after I 905 00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:54,840 came out with the book cosmic rays 906 00:57:03,130 --> 00:56:56,910 excellent Venus adventure there's a 907 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:03,140 whole chapter there that's in 2017 about 908 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:07,610 Paradise California and the history 909 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:12,410 interplanetary spaceship study group and 910 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:16,770 the vincit of les Crandall Venusian 911 00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:22,650 contactee and whole history of sky 912 00:57:29,650 --> 00:57:25,590 watches and and one of the earliest UFO 913 00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:29,660 clubs associated with Daniel Frye's 914 00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:32,310 understanding group that was up there in 915 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:38,400 in Paradise California and then I was 916 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:42,530 sponsored by the the Public Library in 917 00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:45,330 Paradise to come and give lectures about 918 00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:48,510 the history of Paradise and flying 919 00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:54,030 saucers which is very successful and not 920 00:58:02,550 --> 00:57:57,480 long after that about a year after that 921 00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:02,560 the whole city burned town sure did that 922 00:58:10,590 --> 00:58:08,710 first fire in American history and I I 923 00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:10,600 did want to mention the last time you 924 00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:14,710 were on the show your accomplice on a 925 00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:17,920 Duran and unfortunately she has passed 926 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:22,240 away since then because of the Kovan 19 927 00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:25,810 virus and she will be missed 928 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:31,030 she will greatly she she assisted with 929 00:58:39,420 --> 00:58:35,610 the the research in in Paradise 930 00:58:43,070 --> 00:58:39,430 California and also the exploring the 931 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:43,080 Native American connection right she was 932 00:58:52,740 --> 00:58:48,250 she was Cherokee originally from from 933 00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:52,750 Oklahoma who went up to live in Montana 934 00:58:59,070 --> 00:58:56,230 and then work for the University of 935 00:59:03,090 --> 00:58:59,080 Montana there at Missoula and then 936 00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:03,100 eventually made her way to to Morgantown 937 00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:06,550 West Virginia where I'm at she was also 938 00:59:14,970 --> 00:59:11,380 in that very group that that worked 939 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:14,980 closely with we worked with talk to 940 00:59:22,290 --> 00:59:19,690 sprinkle Brian very interestingly I've 941 00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:22,300 gotten all her books and they are very 942 00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:26,830 very interesting yes they're terrific it 943 00:59:31,610 --> 00:59:29,920 she also edited the work by a lytic 944 00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:31,620 Annenberg about The Time Traveller's 945 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:35,920 right that's why that I think it's 946 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:41,970 important to this is very important to 947 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:45,130 now that well now the Chiefs not around 948 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:49,210 anymore but but Diane is still around so 949 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:53,050 yeah sort to for people to hear her 950 00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:56,530 message as well well rain I appreciate 951 01:00:01,080 --> 00:59:57,760 you coming on the show again 952 01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:01,090 very interesting as usual and I do look 953 01:00:10,740 --> 01:00:04,990 forward to restarting the rayon Lawn 954 01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:10,750 Roadshow and make some trips to 955 01:00:16,270 --> 01:00:14,430 Harrisburg and possibly other places to 956 01:00:19,570 --> 01:00:16,280 take the word out too 957 01:00:21,970 --> 01:00:19,580 other clubs and such oh oh yes that 958 01:00:27,310 --> 01:00:21,980 would be wonderful I can't wait for this 959 01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:27,320 thing to to finally pass yeah this Cove 960 01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:30,470 aid thing is this it's put in such a 961 01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:35,420 cramp to to UFO and paranormal and oh 962 01:00:40,290 --> 01:00:37,430 it's been terrible I mean there's 963 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:40,300 nothing going on it's just shut down 964 01:00:46,030 --> 01:00:43,370 okay we're able thanks again and I'll be 965 01:00:49,930 --> 01:00:46,040 talking to you soon thank you my friend 966 01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:49,940 always a privilege to to share time with 967 01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,710 you you take care now thank you 968 01:00:58,060 --> 01:00:56,240 now if you have an unexplained encounter 969 01:01:00,820 --> 01:00:58,070 sighting feel free to contact me through 970 01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,830 the fans of monsters log slate your 971 01:01:04,330 --> 01:01:02,240 interested in supporting families of 972 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:04,340 monsters an arcade radio you can use the 973 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:06,530 PayPal donation buttons on the blog and 974 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:11,330 newsletter let's see our newest YouTube 975 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:14,930 channel beyond explanation has all new 976 01:01:18,550 --> 01:01:17,330 content being added daily check it out 977 01:01:21,580 --> 01:01:18,560 and subscribe 978 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:21,590 I won again thank cosmic-ray Keller for 979 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:23,570 joining me this evening and I want to 980 01:01:27,460 --> 01:01:25,370 thank you for listening to the show good 981 01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:27,470 night stay healthy and have a safe and 982 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:50,380 [Music]